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  Could the Governing Body be done away with?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  i posted this idea on another thread but perhaps it is worth its own discussion.. could the gb be done away with?

  seriously.. they came to be, out of a troubled time.

  there was much opposition as we know to the whole gb idea at the time.

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  I don't see the GB being "done away with" but I could envsion them letting themselves die off without replacements (20-30 years and they're all gone). They would need to revise some doctrine but they'll have to revise doctrine by then anyway. My speculation follows:

  Fifty years from now the doctrine will be that the 1000 years began in 1914 and that rather than the "old light" understanding of two separate Armageddon-like events (one to kick off the 1000 years and one after the 1000 years), there is just one at the end of the 1000 years. They'll also have to change "the rest of the dead didn't come to life until the 1000 years had ended" scripture to literal instead of figurative, since there is obviously no resurrection going on right now.

  This will bring up the issue of what to use as a stick without an Armageddon imminent. Here is what it will be: the lake of fire. Anyone who leaves the Borg during the 1000 years has NO HOPE for a resurrection. Anyone who rejects "the good news" during the 1000 years has NO HOPE for a resurrection. ONLY faithful JWs who DIE FAITHFUL during the 1000 years have hope for a resurrection (along with everyone who died prior to 1914).

  See? It's all laid out for them. They'll perpetuate the Borg indefinitely with this scenario (or one something like it). How does this relate to the GB? Well, they (along with ALL 144K anointed) will have been resurrected to heaven and ruling from there. On earth, the Watchtower will set up some sort of administrative hierarchy that are "the princes" representing the Borg interests on earth. It will be GB-like, but with less prestige and absolutely no power over the organization, which will be corporate-run in reality.
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  Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful.

  by stillstuckcruz in

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  2. beliefs

  this is truly terrible.

  i just love the statement "instead of eulogizing the deceased, use the material in this outline to give a fine witness concerning the truth.

  " in other words, utterly disregard the deceased.

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  I'm so thankful for the internet - it has allowed me to "see" with my own eyes what the WTS has always told me not to read/watch - and NOW I know why.

  Excellent point, and welcome to all the new ones who have posted in this thread. The Internet is a tool of truth before which Borg lies cannot stand. They're scared to death of it and for good reason. It exposes them for the frauds they are. A good question to ask JWs is if everything found on the Internet about the Watchtower is Satanic lies, then why are they so afraid of letting JWs read it? Can't lies be defeated by truth easily? Are you all so weak in your faith that you can't handle the tiniest of false challenges to what you believe? The Bible says, "oppose the devil and he will flee from you," not, "flee from the devil because he opposes you." They don't avoid the Internet because they know it's false, they avoid it because they are afraid it's true.
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  WT Flip-Flops on Jesus’ Inspection… Was it in 1918 or 1919?... Did the WT PASS or FAIL?

  by Alfred in

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  2. bible

  this is utterly ridiculous.... .

  the more i research this particular subject, the more flip-flops i uncover.

  it seems the fds cant even make up their minds regarding what happened in 1918 (or should i say 1919?).

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  On the topic of elderly JWs, I agree that we shouldn't push them but if they want to know why we're doing what we're doing, I don't see anything wrong with being honest. My parents have both gone inactive thanks to sharing the truth about the Borg with them. They have an advantage being elderly in that they use their failing health and twilight years as an excuse for their inactivity so they're not shunned very much and certainly not formally. Unlike me, who quit in the prime of my "making spiritual progress" and lost every friend I had aside from my wife.

  I lean toward freedom with pain over slavery in lies and ignorance - even with the elderly.
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  Could The Watchtower and Awake Collapse?

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  this is not a prophesy, folks, but rather a train of thought to pursue about the organization, especially in light of its recent legal problems.. could the magazines collapse?

  the watchtower is published in 188 languages?

  and the awake a rather huge number as well?.

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  A merging of Awake! and public Watchtower seems inevitable. Whether they call it "Awake" or "Watchtower" or something new entirely (which would be smart because "new" things energize the sheeple) remains to be seen. They'll still have the study Watchtower. Before they stop printing it entirely, they will lay heavy pressure on the flock to download and print their own for a few years. Only when that fails to save them enough money will they discontinue the printing altogether.

  If the economy rebounds the Borg may be in ok shape for several decades. If the recession continues, they could be in serious trouble.
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  Australia Jehovah's Witnesses Child Abuse/Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses Court Case

  by mind blown in

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  2. child-abuse

  .. case number: b12083527.

  .. case number: b12083108.

  .. case number: b12083367.

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  When were the annointed resurrected to heaven?

  by drewcoul in

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  i have heard that there has been some changes as to what the witnesses teach regarding the resurrection of annointed to spirit life.. what is the current teaching?

  is it still that an annointed is resurrected "in the twinkling of an eye" as i was always taught?

  i was also taught that this resurrection began in 1918. .

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  I don't think there have been any changes. From 1918 onward the anointed who die are instantly resurrected to spirit life. Except for the fakers. They are in the lake of fire and will be replaced by the almost 12,000 nibble-n-sippers who currently occupy Kingdom Hall seats.
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  Having a Religious Experience

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  awhile back i asked my wife what was the most "religious" experience of her life.

  for her, it was one time we sent to see the ny philharmonic.

  the program was particularly moving, and we both agreed that the feeling was borderline "orgasmic.

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  I thought I had one once. I was pretty sure it was what "anointed" people feel like. Now I'm fairly confident that it was just a rush of chemicals. I'd love for it to happen again so I can analyze it better because at the time I just rolled with the feelings.
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  WT Flip-Flops on Jesus’ Inspection… Was it in 1918 or 1919?... Did the WT PASS or FAIL?

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is utterly ridiculous.... .

  the more i research this particular subject, the more flip-flops i uncover.

  it seems the fds cant even make up their minds regarding what happened in 1918 (or should i say 1919?).

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  Alfred, hats off to you for discovering this.

  I've never seen this series of flip-flops even mentioned before, let alone enumerated so perfectly. I think it might be even worse than the toes of the image flip-flops.
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  Do the brothers have to follow an outline when they give talks?

  by Joliette in

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  2. friends

  since i was a sister at the kingdom hall, i was a little confused when the brothers give talks as a kid.

  do the brother work around an outline, or do they write around the outline.

  how does this work?.

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  Every body of elders picks one of their members to supposedly keep an eye on the speakers to make sure they follow the outlines. I don't know of any who ever actually carried out the assignment.
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  Evolution Thread to continue conversation with BIOFLEX

  by NewChapter in

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  2. beliefs

  bioflex, i am starting this thread so that the other one doesn't get hijacked.

  here is where you left off.

  bioflex please stop talking about evolution you are off topic and your ignorance of the subject is deeply embarassing.

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  Mad Sweeney

  I don't think Dawkins is trying to reach religious people with this book. It seems to me that he's trying to reach the young people who are growing up on Neil Gaiman and Philip Pullman while their minds are still open and willing to accept the idea that there is no scientific evidence for the supernatural, and as science explains more and more about the natural universe, the supernatural explanation becomes less and less necessary and convincing.

  Most chapters start out with myths about the origins of whatever the topic is (the sun, rainbows, etc.). Then the rest of the chapter explains the science behind the topic. It is obvious to the reader which makes more sense.

  Of course it's going to piss off religious people who suffer from a god delusion, because they are unwilling to entertain the possibility of being wrong. I think Dawkins would gladly welcome god into his home if only god could be bothered to show up. Would your typical fundamentalist welcome Richard Dawkins?